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Gone Flying / Re: Flying the new UMX Micro Radian
« on: April 25, 2014, 10:40:21 PM »
Yes, but where do you put your name and AMA number that don't mess up the CG?

New Ideas for the Club / Re: New Golf Cart
« on: February 20, 2014, 09:32:15 PM »
This looks like something we may want

New Ideas for the Club / Proposed Field & Safety Rules
« on: February 19, 2014, 02:00:13 PM »
We did a complete rewrite as the Field & Safety rules needed to be combined into only one place.

So I'm going to close the old thread and open up a new one here.

The officers of the club have now approved this version to open it up for discussion and to be voted on at the next general meeting on the 11th of March 2014.

PDF version Attached.

***Page 1************************************************
Proposed SKSS Field & Safety Rules

A “sailplane” is an airplane that has no motor installed.
A “self-launched sailplane” is a sailplane that has a motor which is primarily used for launching.
An “electric aircraft” is any airborne vehicle that uses a motor(s) most of the time it is in flight.
An “aircraft” is all of the above.

1.  All pilots and models must adhere to the current “Official AMA National Model Aircraft Safety Code”.
2.  The field is available during normal park hours, 8AM to sunset.
3.  Mowing takes priority over flight activity.
4.  No lipo battery charging in the Birdhouse. Outdoor electrical outlets are available for battery charging.
5.  Pilots using radios other than 2.4 GHz will use a frequency pin and sign in, and out, on the frequency pin board.
6.  Flight activity is limited to sailplanes and models powered by electric motor(s).
7.  Additionally, gas powered tow planes will be permitted to fly solely for the purposes of towing sailplanes aloft
and, on a limited basis, for the test flying of the tow plane. The frequency of gas tow plane flying will be
determined by the Executive Committee.
8.  Sailplanes that are being launched via winch, high start, or aerotow have right-of-way over all other aircraft.
9.  Sailplanes have right-of-way over powered models.
10.  The direction of the winch/high start setup has priority and will determine which runways sailplanes and electric
aircraft will use.
11.  Self-launched sailplanes may, if flown alongside the winch/high start, use the same active launch and landing
12.  When the winch/high start is set up on the east/west runway sufficient space will be allowed for pilots and
vehicles to gain access to the north/south runway without physically interfering with the winch line or turn
around pulley.
13.  All electric aircraft will maintain an adequate distance from the winch/high start lines.
14.  Electric aircraft will only cross the winch/high start line above the highest altitude that sailplanes are being
15.  All electric aircraft will be flown within the confines of the field and will not be flown “behind” the current flight
line. Note that the flight line will change depending on which runway is being used. Unless the flight line is
specified, good judgment must be used in determining where the flight line is located for a given runway.
16.  All electric aircraft will operate on the same runway and use the same direction of flight.
17.  All aircraft will be operated so as to be within gliding distance of the field.
18.  The tree line along the eastern edge of the field will begin the No Fly Zone (NFZ; the red line on the diagram) and
will extend north and south along that line. The NFZ will extend to the east of that boundary. The NFZ will
include Paper Mill Road and the houses on the opposite side of the road. No airplane of ANY kind will be
permitted to cross into the NFZ.
19.  Flying low along the edge of the NFZ is discouraged and should be avoided. We do not want to distract the
people driving along Paper Mill Rd.
20.  During a contest, or club event, the Contest Director/Event Coordinator may alter these rules to fit the situation.
Rules may only be altered with caution. In no case shall the AMA Safety Code or the No Fly Zone be violated.

If a situation occurs that is not covered by these rules it is expected that the member
involved will use good judgment and proceed with caution.

*****End of Page 1******

****Page 2*********************************
Zone A:
1.  All aircraft will takeoff (or launch) and land in this zone.
2.  Only pilots and their helpers are allowed in Zone A when airplanes are flying.
3.  Entering the area in which models are actively flying is discouraged but if it is necessary the person will
notify the pilots before entering the area.
4.  Pilots will keep their airplanes well away from any person, vehicle or equipment in Zone A.

Zone B:
1.  Only sailplanes and self-launched sailplanes that are flying with their motor off are allowed to fly in Zone B.
2.  Electric aircraft are prohibited from flying in Zone B.
3.  The lowest allowable altitude between the field entrance gate and the pedestrian gate west of the
Birdhouse will be the top of the telephone pole, approximately 25 feet. Launching, intentional landing or
low altitude flying is prohibited in this area.
4.  There is no low altitude limit between the field entrance and Paper Mill Rd.
5.  It is imperative that the AMA Safety Code be especially honored in Zone B; i.e., no flight over unprotected
people, vehicles or buildings, and no flight within 25 feet of the same.

**Page 2 ends after photo******

New Ideas for the Club / Re: Proposed new Safety Rules for the SKSS Field
« on: February 19, 2014, 01:44:12 PM »

A point on Zone B

If we follow the philosophy that our rules should reflect how we fly now then the proposed rules governing Zone B for powered sailplanes is over restrictive and does not reflect how powered sailplanes currently fly in that area. 

Many times especially when the wind is out of the south climbing out over Zone B is standard practice.  In addition once at altitude motoring over to lift over Zone B is standard practice as well. 

The alternative wording should “In Zone B for powered sailplanes climbing under power is allowed for the purpose of attaining soaring altitude”.

No, if the wind is coming from the south you should be flying from the north end of the field.


New Ideas for the Club / Re: No Fly Zone (Papermill Road)
« on: February 15, 2014, 08:36:08 PM »
Trying to get me fired up....

If we make the area south of Smith Mill off limits, let me know, we need to cancel the ESL contest.

I'm serious.   I get Route 72 and agree on the no-fly zone.  Bind the field by the birdhouse and you will have issues.  Not just with the ESL but with Sailplane fliers at the can we live without the Craphouse lift!!!

I have no idea what your talking about, no one is talking about anything south of Smith Mill Rd being off limits.

The shaded area is the only area in the No Fly Zone, this is smaller then the current No Fly Zone.

I fly gliders, it's all I want to fly.

New Ideas for the Club / Re: Proposed new Safety Rules for the SKSS Field
« on: February 15, 2014, 12:56:04 PM »
I now have version 2 of the draft for the SKSS Field Safety Rules.

I can't find anything in our Bylaws or on the web site about frequency control, do we need to do something about this?

Click on the picture for a larger copy or a pdf is attached.

New Ideas for the Club / Re: Proposed new Safety Rules for the SKSS Field
« on: February 15, 2014, 08:10:40 AM »
I understand the highway and the development.  But across Smithbridge.  We have flown there for years without any incident or concern.  The tree line is used by sailplane flyers all the time.


Zone C: No Fly Zone, north of Smith Mill Road and east of the west edge of Hwy 72, Paper Mill Road, and areas east of it.

Please notice the word "AND"

On Google earth the road east of Paper Mill Rd is "Smithmill Rd" while the road west is "Smiths Mill Rd" which is the road our field is on.

In the New Castle County Parcel map both roads are named Smith Mill Rd.

In the first post in this thread is also a picture of all three zones.


Edit: The property south of Smith Mill Rd and east of Paper Mill Rd is public property owned by New Castle County.

New Ideas for the Club / Re: Proposed new Safety Rules for the SKSS Field
« on: February 14, 2014, 08:31:59 PM »
As for areas where people walk , The most walkable trail is the one on the west end
What do we do with that area

The trail along the west side, it's right along the trees,

By the Rules, you have to be over 50 feet from the ground, both powered and unpowered.

In The Real World, If your over the trail and under 100 feet your either a very good pilot or the trees are going to teach you a lesson to make you a better pilot.


Edit:I don't want to add rules that I know are impossible to break in the first place. Take the area south of Smith Mill Rd, because of the tree line you can't see your aircraft from our field if it's below the angle of your eyes to the top of the trees. Since you always have to be able to see your aircraft you can't fly your aircraft lower then that line (from your eyes to the top of the trees). 

New Ideas for the Club / Re: Proposed new Safety Rules for the SKSS Field
« on: February 14, 2014, 01:09:09 PM »
Just think of yourself out on the flight line trying to explain this to a new guy. Simpler is better.

I am the new guy 8)

That's why I want to limit this to one page, with the picture with all the zones on it.

We can put in on the bulletin board and keep a folder of them in the birdhouse. If you see someone that is ignorant of the rules you can just hand them a copy and ask them nicely to read them.

New Ideas for the Club / Re: Proposed new Safety Rules for the SKSS Field
« on: February 14, 2014, 12:54:51 PM »
People seem to be having a problem with the shape of Zone B.

So let me try and explain why I put Zone B into the plan.

First off, Zone B has no effect on Unpowered aircraft(see rules) besides needing to stay above 25 feet off the ground, so for Winch, High, Hand & Electric launched sailplanes if has no real effect.

Now I what you to think about an Electric Hotliner doing 170 mph
or how about a Size 650 Helicopter with a 57 inch diameter rotor blade running a 12S Li-Po.

Under the old rules and the new rules those are both legal aircraft to be flying at our field. But why would we want either of those types of aircraft flying anywhere near the public.

That's why there has to be a buffer zone between the our POWERED aircraft and the public. I can find no other way to define all the different types of aircraft that we should or should not allow in Zone B short of a two or three page listing what still would leave many loop holes.

Yes, I know that all POWERED aircraft include the 6 inch 1S quad copter that I terrorize my dog with at home. But if we add something like "more then 12 inches long" someone will show up with an 11 inch hotliner.


New Ideas for the Club / Re: Proposed new Safety Rules for the SKSS Field
« on: February 13, 2014, 10:05:16 PM »
I don't think it's another Zone, just an area with its own rule,

I think you should sleep on that statement overnight :o

New Ideas for the Club / Re: Proposed new Safety Rules for the SKSS Field
« on: February 13, 2014, 05:55:01 PM »
All your really doing is adding another Zone, with a another set of rules

New Ideas for the Club / Re: Proposed new Safety Rules for the SKSS Field
« on: February 13, 2014, 05:31:25 PM »
When I sat down and wrote this draft, I had to think about every aircraft I saw flying at the field this last year. And then I looked into all the other types of electric aircraft that are out there that can be flown at our field. I then when and read most of the stuff at the AMA website about fields, safety and contest rules for our contest types.

I've been at the field a few times when people where flying hotliners, real fast electric planes with no wheels. We also have some good sized quad copters flying at the field, I haven't seen any helicopters yet but I'm sure we have a few.

The rules I've layed out take all of these different types of aircraft into account without talking about each type or name as I can't cover them all. And our hobby seems to be changing faster all the time and it's hard to keep up with just the stuff I want to do.

So think about the big picture and always figure the odds

New Ideas for the Club / Re: Proposed new Safety Rules for the SKSS Field
« on: February 13, 2014, 04:40:24 PM »
Why do you want to have helicopters flying next to Paper Mill Road?

Edit: This is the whole point of Zone B, keeping the fast and most dangerous stuff away from the public.

New Ideas for the Club / Re: Proposed new Safety Rules for the SKSS Field
« on: February 13, 2014, 04:38:20 PM »
Why the L shaped Zone about remove the "L" and extend "A" to the no-fly zone. 

It's a buffer zone to keep power aircraft away from the no fly zone and the public.
You can still fly unpowered (sailplanes) there

Sorry folks, but this is public space and our buffer zone between us and the public. We want the public to be here and be safe, we want them to watch what we're doing and ask questions and hopefully join us in our hobby.  So no powered flight, period (except for certain pilots during aerotow). 

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